defined by racial terror. they had to worry about lynching, hate crimes, they to worry about violence and intimidation and that was followed by decades of segregation and insubordination and humiliation which is what jim crow laws did. >> stephen: so can i blame this on muslims? >> no. you actually, we are all actually responsible for our failure to tell the truth about our racial history. >> stephen: so you too, you are a black guy, right. >> everybody. >> stephen: people tell me i'm white and i believe them because i feel terribly guilty about this conversation. so black people have some burden in this. >> well, yes, because we actually have to get the entire country, blacks, white, latino, religious minorities, everybody to be more truthful about what discrimination and bigotry does to us all. >> stephen: what it used to do, rosa parks ended it. >> i heard you say that. >> stephen: not me, that was the rnc. >> well, actually, i still see tremendous racism, tremendous racism. >> stephen: we have a black president. >> we do.